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For comparison sake, let's look at the sentences handed down to black and brown folk - not for trying to steal an election and disenfranchising millions - but for voting wrongly in some way

It is not a good point. She was intentionally trying to fracture society.

Tina Peters participated actively in an insurrection from the plotting to the carrying out treasonous activities. She attacked arresting officers. Treason ≠ something to dismiss after 5 years. Trump & all January 6 participants that engaged in violence/breached the building committed treason.

And the meth dealer son who was pardoned? Why isn’t he still in jail? Oh right, rich daddy donated to tRump!

So disenfranchisement of millions of Americans in the name of helping Trump's coup in 2020 isn't inflicting harm? 🙄

"........no actual harm." Immanuel Kant, writing on morals: to determine if an act is moral or immoral (ie should or shouldn't be done) one must ask what would occur if everyone engaged in that act. If it would result in no harm to anyone, the act is moral. Fucking with elections doesn't pass.

Non violent maybe, but I would argue helping an attempt to subvert an election is actually worse than attempted murder. Decades in prison wouldn't be unreasonable.

Nah, assaulting our democracy is worth a long and brutal punishment. If anything the initial sentence was far too lenient.

She's likely to reoffend...now.

Fucking Nazis, regardless...😒

Shouldn't she at least pretend to show remorse? Instead, she's planning to start fcking with our elections again as soon as she can. So eager to get back to cheating.

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Nobody got hurt except the cops that were kicked, so the rich guys here don't consider them to be real people. Out of touch!

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This helps actually. Sometimes even us clearheaded folks need to sit down and think it through. Thanks George. And yeah, lock up Pedocon Don and throw away the key.

Is it a good point?

Did he typo "UNreasonable?"

Isn't she likely to do it again? She owes 🍊🤡💩 her freedom.

She's not Likely to do it again? Feels like maybe jail time is inappropriate, but a lifetime ban from civil service or being anywhere close to a f****** voting machine would be appropriate?

Enabling a coup for a guy that has killed 100s of thousands or more through cutting USAID is violent actually

I dunno, she looks like a recidivist TBH.

Reality Winner got 5 years in the federal penitentiary as a whistleblower who leaked documents related to actual Russian election interference. And served all 5 years! Tina actually committed the crime of election interference.

Hey I’m in Colorado, she did actual harm here. She made people distrust the voting system, tried to cheat, lied continuously and attempted to subvert justice. So maybe shut up man. Go be the republican you are somewhere else and leave us all alone.

What if they had succeeded in overturning the election? Would her role in a coup make a longer sentence more appropriate? Because attempted murder is attempted murder even if the gun jams. She tried.

Can we revisit the "likely to do it again" part of this statement?

5 years was not enough. It has to deter others from attempting such a crime. You wanna try it, spend the next 15yrs behind bars. It’s just more white people getting lesser sentences no matter how you slice it. She’ll get out and get a high paid gig on newsmax. That’s the problem. She’ll be rewarded!

Trump is a grifter who has lived his life one lawyer ahead of the law.

You are fucking stupid.

If you think 2 years is a reasonable sentence for a literal traitor you're a fucking idiot

But he won’t spend a day in jail. Why? He’s leader of a cult of idiots. Because of that he’s a billionaire 6x over. Also because of his ability to manipulate people’s greed, he has allies in the DoJ and federal government.

If you helped to install the malignant narcissist you helped to cause hundreds of thousands (e.g. the end of USAID) deaths. She should rot in jail and then in Hell.

Maybe, but she would and will do it all over again. Of course she is headed to the White house for a very public facing job. Replacing Susie??

Just in time to get a couple of $Millions of tax payers $ from Trump J6 con slush fund?🤡

And if not for Merrick Garland and the big mistake of taking the documents case to Florida instead of trying it in DC and doing it as the FIRST TRIAL.

One of the biggest failures of our political and legal system is the fact that the people involved with January 6, especially the people who organized it, were never held accountable, and the people who were, were all pardoned. Complete failure.

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Hear Hear! If Congress, SCOTUS, and millions of armed Feds are too scared to arrest a cowardly, schoolgirl bombing, New Jim Crow demanding, Israel and Russian backed, draft dodging pedophile, We The People will drop him and all his scum enablers off at the ICC

peters is a run-of-the-mill annoying neighbor; trump is an annoying neighbor who blocks your driveway, cuts down your trees, steals your mail, calls the cops on you, and threatens to sue if you complain

It depends upon your definition of hurting people. She tried to rig our election to help Trump get re-elected. Would she do it again? Probably. She has no remorse over trying to overthrow our election.

Amen to that! Peters should spend the rest of her days in prison for TREASON & FRAUD, so F*ck her! 🤬

Fleischmans a dumbass is what I just read

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And a Black man by the name of Willie Simmons was sentenced to life in prison for stealing $9 dollars.

NO ACTUAL HARM? Well, except for the harm to trust in our national election process...

That malevolent halfwit Peters is only 100% likely to repeat her felony, or worse.

FART DOUBLE FART AHAHAHA

Having watched peters’ sentencing hearing it’s clear the sentence is appropriate because she doesn’t think she did anything wrong and would absolutely do it again if given the chance

SHAME ON YOU.

The actual fuck? Peters should be treated like a traitor. Because she is.

No it isn't a good point. Lose the R stuff or lose. She's a treasonous bitch who belongs in jail

How about someone who stole millions? Non violent crime. Slap on the wrist? Bitch tried to steal people's votes.

No. It isn't. She qualifies as one of those people. 5 years is a light sentence. The fact that people died and were left injured and with PTSD? Is she paying their medical bills? That fucking bitch can rot. You will never win as a Democrat. Go the fuck back to your party and clean it up.

Do the crime, do the time.

She’s planning on doing it again m.

It is not a good point. Just because no one was bleeding does not make this a lesser crime, IMHO. It is an attack on the foundations of democracy and will hurt a lot more people in a myriad of ways than even a random murder could.

I wonder where George Floyd sits on this scale.

So you don’t think she will do it again? Because she never has shown remorse

Crimes don't have to be violent to hurt a lot of people. Arguably, fraud and white collar crimes can be just as damaging. And those offenders often don't learn their lesson either. Cf. our president.

She gave away the source code for computerized voting systems to the very people who can't win elected office without cheating. She deserves LIFE without parole. She's a god damned spy.

But she served less than two years. For trying to steal an American election. Seems like a slap on the wrist for the offense.

The very people who tried to steal the 2020 election are actively involved in trying to steal future elections, more or less a working definition of recidivism.

Yes, but we do not have any justice in this country. We have an oligarchy with a bunch of billionaires.

Everyone who lied about the election being stolen has hurt people. Tina Peters will continue doing it, and should stay in jail.

No it isn’t you just think that because you are also a Republican

Criminal Justice 101: It’s not so much the severity of a punishment as the certainty of it that creates a deterrent effect. When Trump holds his next J6-style riot, there is no meaningful deterrent to keep the MAGA beast from unleashing its inner swine.

It may be a good point; I'll leave that for others to decide. But it's also a good point that the official holding the state's highest elected office shouldn't be second-guessing the conclusions reached by juries made up of the state's citizens except to provide relief to the wrongfully convicted.

Bullshit.

Undermining the republic is very bad. It cuts at the very roots of society.

We are so understanding of crimes by white people.

i know the national democratic party is embarrassing but you need to fuck off with this republican-lite nonsense. log off. disappear. you don’t know your dick from getting repercussions from your own actions. stub your toe on the way out you fuckin’ loser

Is she likely to do it again, though? And did it actually not cause harm? Trying to overturn an election is treason and trying to take away the vote from anyone is very serious, extremely harmful violation of basic human rights.

No actual harm! NO ACTUAL HARM! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!

And she will do it again

she helped create the conditions for the violent event known as january 6th. so stop with this “she’s a non violent criminal” shit

I get your point, but Tina Peters still belongs in jail.

You still voted Trump in 2024. We all know.

she did do harm, so no, this is NOT actually a good point, fake democrat.

Dunno. Part of the sentence is punishment, part of it to keep them from being in a position to repeat the offense, and part of it is as a deterrent to others. Her crime was potentially very harmful to others. Just because she's a refined old white lady shouldn't give her MORE special privilege.

just to be clear, Peters spent one year and eight months, not five years, in prison for breaking federal election laws.

Disagree Crimes that falsely reduce trust in our system should be punished more severely than drug or violence. Addiction & emotional acts of violence cannot be deterred, cause they aren't rational. Fraud can be deterred as it uses the rational brain to calculate harm. It is sociopathic

she shows no contrition and will clearly do anything and everything she can to break election law again

Trying to undermine the foundations of our democracy is, in fact, really really bad and should be punished severely. So not really a good point.

White collar crime is more harmful than any other crime. White collar criminals have all the means to stay out of crime. They deserve harsher crimes than anyone else.

It's not a good point, actually.

Even if it was a harsh sentence (it's not), a Dem politician caving to a Trump pressure campaign to protect and reward a Trump ally is a traitor.

Not if you read what the judge had to say about her propensity to lie and deceive the American public.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!- Not just wrong but ****ing Obtuse. Never Forget - Never Forgive - No Mercy- No Quarter - No Deals for any participant, facilitator or supporter of the Jan 6 domestic terrorist assault on our Capitol our Constitution & Constitutional Federal Republic & attempted insurrection.

Come on, George! Are you really doing a what-aboutism? It sounds like you’re saying that trump isn’t in jail so why should Peters be. No harm? You don’t think that attacking the very bedrock of American democracy is doing harm?

Tina Peters knew the law, knew she was breaking the law and attempted to follow DJT's conspiracy to overthrow the election. She was convicted in her home county by a jury of her peers. Clemency by Colorado's Democrat Governor in not popular here, and angers many, including me. Shame on him!

Disagree. The crime was intended to cause grave harm. Peters seems completely unrepentant and may very well participate in efforts to overturn future elections.

…I don’t know how he can say; “no actual harm”? Every action has consequences that impact a chain of events. Also, what about example this sets for future would be election interferes?

And this is why I hope you lose. We don't need more Republicans in office.

Agreed. The Judge also was right to confirm this was not a pardon and her crime will remain on the record.

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You are a moron.

This is a really stupid point, actually. bsky.app/profile/r5-t...

Spoken like the fascist Jew he's proud of being. A huge middle finger to his charred ancestors. Pathetic

Trump is definitely a repeat offender -a repeat fraudster and so many more serious crimes.

Thing is Trump is the kinda guy that has and will still punish Colorado

She tried to disenfranchise Colorado voters -- that hurts them. And she will continue trying to undermine the voting system. This was a betrayal of Colorado and Polis should resign.

There is truly NO DOUBT that Trump should have been locked up a long time ago. Musk too.

I guess if you try to overthrow our government but are unsuccessful then it's no harm, no foul? Seriously? It's no wonder we're in the trouble we're in with that kind of logic.

Like child rapists?

Would Tina do it again? In a heartbeat.

Did I miss the part where she demonstrated real remorse? Because when I tuned in, it appeared she had been given a green light to do it again. 🤷‍♀️

I question the "no harm", maybe no direct physical harm to someone, but it's insane to say trying to overthrow a democratic election & put in place a potential dictator equates to "no harm" Once an authoritarian dictatorship is in place then there will be plenty of harm, physical & political

How was there "no actual harm"?

No, it's not. How many people (many of them kids who starved to death) are now "unalive" because that SOB got back into power? 20 to life without parole would be a fair sentence, IMO.

Pretty sure denying people’s right to vote hurts them. I’d also bet she’d do it again if she thought she could get away with it.

Reasonable argument. I have no qualms with his point. Well, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention this needs to apply to all prisoners in this boat.👍🏿

She tried to overthrow the government, dude.

No.

Cheating to help the GOP win elections IS enabling the injury of persons, so no.

Tina said she’s gonna do it again George. Tina is exactly the kind of entitled cunt who SHOULD BE THE EXAMPLE of finding out for those inclined to fuck around.

Messing with an election is akin to treason, but that’s just me. If she’s gets into a position to do this again she should be locked up for life.

How many people of color receive the same consideration????

Except she has shown no remorse or accountability

This is a good point, actually. Said the guy who made millions off of trump

She tried to change an election, she resisted arrest, she isn't sorry, she doesn't feel she did anything wrong and next time, she will cover her tracks better. Had her crime worked, many would be hurt. 🙄 One more reason you should stay a Republican and out of Democrat races, imo.

it's too bad you or your exwife never faced conviction for events in 2016 & after. otherwise, maybe the spice of conjugal visit sex could have revived your marriage.

Actual harm: Compromised election security, Handed voter data to unknown persons, Violated the integrity and confidentiality of the election process. Blood does not need to be spilled to show actual harm.

It's a good point, the USA has a 3rd world penal system, but it's for the people who make the laws and the judges who impose the sentences to decide that.

Umm. She plans on doing it again?

She’s a traitor and should be hanged bu the neck until dead, full stop.

Capitulation to a trump demand is never a good idea. I start to trust you then you make statements like this. She did cause harm to our democracy and the folks who live here in the USA.

No, there was actual harm. People were unalived during January 6th insurrection. During Trumps presidency there have been multiple occurrences of loss of life. There was actual harm. Lost jobs, lost lives, deportations, family separations.

Bet Tina Peters would do it all over again. Bet she'll happily take a payout from Trump's "Support a Traitor" slush fund too.

I’m sorry but that bitch committed violent crimes against democracy. She should have been locked up for a very long time.

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I'm thinking her actions are responsible for every death Trump has caused.

"no actual harm" The harm is getting off light, because it sends a message to break the law in the correct way for the correct people, and you too could be off light for trying to wreck democracy. Sounds familiar but not sure where from...

You think you are cute when you are just wrong.

Maybe they deny her parole?

Some people never grow out of that "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" phase

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It's not a good point at all you stupid fucking dipshit, she continues to insist she did nothing wrong and promises to continue.

Ok, I can agree with this. Its not like she was pardoned. The conviction is still on her record. She is still a felon. She is still on parole.

“LIFE LONG prison sentences are for people who commit many crimes over decades including repeated violence against women and children and when they enjoy their crimes, it can be expected they will continue until they die” There Fixed it

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She attacked an election and is a likely participant in an ongoing coup. I think 25 to life is reasonable for that.

Remember the black lady in Texas who mistakenly cast a vote while on probation? 5 years as I remember. But of course she was black, and in Texas.

Tina Peters isn't doing 5 years. She will do about 1 1/2 years in prison and then be out on probation for the rest. If Peters isn't running around the country on behalf of Trump's crooks and liars then maybe not so bad. The BS about her 'free speech' rights is just that- bullshit.

We don’t know about actual harm. She allowed someone to copy the hard drives of the election systems. This could allow them to interfere with, or to embed viruses or other malware that could throw future elections into doubt. Therefore, the harm could be great and justified the sentence she got.

Wrong. She is and will continue to be a MAGAt firebrand who will harm through her hatred, bigotry and lies. She still denies the 2020 election. A raging criminal traitor. Like all the J6 traitors.

Sen. Bob Menendez' crimes were non-violent. He's unlikely to do it again. Yet at 71, he was sentenced to 11 years in prison. Due to the nature of his crimes, 11 years seems fair – especially when considering that prison sentences for the convicted also serve to discourage others from criming.

Actually not a good point, because she tried to disenfranchise a lot of people and make the election process less trustworthy, which is a lot worse and more harmful than punching one person in the face.

You've completely lost me, George. For starters, she showed no remorse. She's likely to reoffend if given the chance, and deterrence is one reason the sentence needed to stay.

"Slaps on the wrist for white collar criminals who steal from and disenfranchise the poor." Conservatives are truly the worst.

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It's a fucking braindead "point" that completely ignores the severity of her actions to make it seem like she just did a little computer no-no. just because she wasn't violent and no one "got hurt," actually.

Tina Peters resisted arrest and she kicked a cop.

Like Trump

Attempting to disenfranchise our most important right isn’t a victimless or non violent crime. I’d argue it’s extremely violent, she attacked us all.

How does Andrew know she's 'not likely' to do it again?! Judge at sentencing: "(she) found a way to profit off of lies and would continue to do so if she remained out of prison" She got off light w/ 9. If you don't punish (properly) you are asking for more of the same or worse. Just look at trump.

These are serious felonies. She could (Should) have gotten 20 years. She's a traitor to the US constitution and our democracy. She will have served only 2 years when paroled next month. She should have at least kept the 9 years (and been paroled ~4 years). coloradosun.com/2026/04/20/d...

Did the Colorado appeals court rule Tina Peters must receive a lower sentence?No. Though the Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that former Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters must be resentenced for her crimes, the judge who initially sentenced her could impose the same penalty.coloradosun.com

He ways your guy!!!

I think when the target is the American electorate and the foundations of democracy a long sentence is appropriate. The problem here, though, is that she’s the sole scapegoat which makes it *seem* like CO is treating her unfairly compared to the federally pardoned (and soon to be rich) Jan 6-ers.

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She hurt people, and she will undoubtedly do it again.

Nah, it's a terrible point. "No actual harm"? Look around, man. What the hell.

This was not a victimless crime. Every US citizen was impacted by her attempt to subvert voting rights. If dems ever take over congress and the wh again, they must fully wipe MAGA out. There can be no place for those racist, nazis, etc., to hide. If we do not do this, it will just repeat itself.

Undermining democracy hurts people and she is definitely going to do it again.

Also, she *did* do actual harm to the country, which will still take yrs to recover, and she's likely to do it again, given the chance. If she actually *does* five yrs, that works, since she's already 70 y.o. and will by then be aged out of further civil-service eligibility.

Where is "five years" coming from? She'll have done like 18 months by June 1st.

I hope her inevitable return to criminal acts lands her back in jail faster. She showed no remorse. And btw, are the press going to hound her, or do we need TMZ to step into that void?

Good point, jail for Donald 2029

Peter's actions caused plenty of "actual harm" to representative democracy.

No.

It’s a terrible point. The deliberate act of attempting to overturn a presidential election is a serious crime. If we are going to deter future attempts at subverting our constitution, there must be punishment that equates. She should have served a full sentence. This is a mockery of our laws.

I remember who showing zero remorse and that’s why she got the sentence she got. Trump is punishing Colorado for not releasing her. It’s sick.

Tina Peters tampered with votes. Her crime did harm people and she should pay. Our votes are sacred! Yes, of course Trump should be in jail for life.

If he was put away for his Epstein crimes against children, he might not have been able to rape and sexually abuse so many women.

This is unlikely an unpopular position for a progresssive democrat, but I do not think long prison sentences are useful for any other than violent criminals. There are other ways to prevent repetition, in this case not allowing her any public positions...and long prison sentences are not deterents.

The problem here is she’s already threatening to do it again. She deserved the full sentence

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It's a *shit point* George. She tried to overturn an election, the basic fundamental function of our Democracy. This is the right that we send men to die for in foreign wars. To deny other Americans their most intrinsic rights is violence of the highest order. She deserves far more than five years.

No it isn't. She thinks she did the right thing. She would do it again given the chance. She is a fascist. There are people who got 5 years for voting in the wrong precinct.

Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Nonviolent crime includes Bernie Madoff. And Trump. And every other shitty person who does crime for monetary and political gain. That does a lot more damage than punching someone in the face. They deserve *more* jail, in addition to penury.

Hard no, and I'm not even American. It's not just what she did, it's the consequences, and let me tell you, the US are not great lately at holding people to account for anything. All countries suffer from a lack of spine in some areas but the US is leading the way, so again, hard no.

Sorry, who thinks she didn’t cause harm to anyone?? Look at the state of the country when it comes to elections. 50% of the country no longer believes in our elections.

The potential for harm was enormous! Malice aforethought was definitely there. Bitch needs to stay under lock and key.

It should be a capital offense

No, it's not. She did not cause physical harm. She caused serious financial harm to the state and county. And she is completely unrepentant. That prison sentence was a deterrent, the commutation is an invitation for more of this. www.pbs.org/newshour/pol...

Republican election denier Tina Peters sentenced to 9 years in prison for voting data schemeA judge ripped into a former Colorado county clerk for her crimes and lies before sentencing her Thursday to nine years behind bars for a data-breach scheme spawned from the rampant false claims about...www.pbs.org

Do the crime do the time. Sorry not sorry. She tried to steal an election, for a dictator that is currently and actively destroying America. @colorado.gov can fuck off.

I disagree. She gets the sentence that she was sentenced. Period.

She participated in a crime that affected millions of people and had the potential for violence. Is it our understanding that there are other criminals in the system that also committed nonviolent crimes but she jumps to the front of the line?

But she did do harm. To the integrity of the voting system and voters’ confidence that it can’t be hacked. Plus her false statements about the election being stolen. Has she expressed remorse? If no…

According to the judge, she was a REAL BITCH about it.

I disagree, Peters deserves a long sentence, she fucked with our democracy

No actual harm? How out of touch entitled is this guy?

So I'm sure they'll get right to releasing all the black people in prison for nonviolent crimes whose sentences should now be declared unfair? Because statistically, they aren't getting this sort of deal.

But she’s likely to do it again and has no actual remorse.

Wrong. Harm was done. This is bullshit.