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I have a great deal of contempt for AIPAC but they do not have the power to "steal" an election. Stuffing ballot boxes, changing vote totals, that's election stealing. Convincing people to vote for a candidate via ads and outreach is just an election. The distinction matters

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I mean he’s an abbot, so spreading a/s tropes is his métier. AIPAC still sucks

I hate election denialism but leftishly

isn’t this guy Like This in general

Ответ для Steven Crabs

He certainly is

Just when I thought the Abbott couldn't get any worse. (Blocked forever ago, as you both mention.)

Ответ для Dan Rouse 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇵🇸

If spending and votes had a direct relationship you would have seen wildly different results in Michigan. It just doesn't work that way luckily.

They weren’t trying to steal it they were trying to buy it

Ответ для Matthew Downhour

They were trying to buy it, and people didn’t want to sell it, an option stealing does not offer

Ответ для Matthew Downhour

That's the word that should have been used (and may have been meant idk). To call that level of difference in spending "just an election" seems a bit euphemistic

Ответ для Matthew Downhour

By that metric, *everyone* who donates to a campaign is "trying to buy an election".

what a fucking piss baby

Ответ для vagabond_aeon

My fault for having him not blocked. The mistake has been rectified

Ответ для vagabond_aeon

I sure did warn folks about him quite early on lmao. I see the brainworms have only burrowed further.

I genuinely hope that i never go crank enough for people to screenshot my ass and they'll just tell me to knock it off first. * That has happened btw and they did tell me to knock it off, I made a whole apology post and everything. It's why BlueSky rules

Ответ для ISuggestBeingAFurry / Fynn Bytez

Honestly it's not even about him being a crank, it's about the fact that he is an extremely unpleasant person when he gets pushback. I also knew I wasn't changing his mind so here we are

Sadly, many lefty people believe that ONLY THEY are able to see through advertising and propaganda, and that everyone else around them is a stupid lemming and sheep. The pervasiveness of this problem is a big reason why black voters don't support progressives as much as progressives wish they did.

Ответ для ATX Stays Winning

I'll say in defense of the left it's not just them but yes it's a very pernicious view of the world. Obviously all of us are susceptible in some way to propaganda but I just don't buy that we're *so* susceptible that propaganda alone is enough. We've been having these arguments since antiquity

I don't understand how Mallory McMorrow figures into this

Ответ для KR

It's not 100% clear to me either and I had no interest in finding out. I think he means that if she'd stayed in she would've split the vote and Stevens would probably have won

Ответ для KR

I don't know if people are misunderstanding, but there is no dig at mcmorrow. He's just say that the votes were extremely close in a campaign where one side had an army of volunteers and the other side had $70M in negative ads.

it doesn't because literally nobody was confused about what he meant. You're just whining.

Everybody loves a sore winner

Ответ для Aaron van Dorn

Sore winners and people who cheat at trivia amirite?

This dude sucks so hard.

(((Stealing)))

the abbott, like the trackaipac lady in germany, is a former republican &/or conservative, who desperately wants to go back.

I don’t think our democracy can survive as long as people with enough money can just buy up airtime to repeat lies over and over. Fox News, for example, just shouldn’t exist. Just because entities can achieve the same outcome with technically-legal means, doesn’t make it not-theft, and not-wrong.

Ответ для Terrapin Poly Oly

I mean yes it does make it not-theft. If you want to make it illegal, you have to make it illegal

there is a thick grey area between lying in ads and scamming. And then another thick grey area between scamming and stealing. There may be some distance between lying in ads and stealing but it's all in the same direction..

Exactly. Thank you.

Maybe your contempt would be a sufficient reason to let slide the impulse to "but akshually" someone mistaking *purchasing* an election for *stealing* an election.

if he hates AIPAC so much he should surely not support the candidate they've endorsed to succeed pelosi... hold on i'm getting a note

Ответ для Glonzo Ball

Ah but you see TrackAIPAC, a completely on the up and trustworthy source, now says she is good!

Ответ для Glonzo Ball

That's a really dumb metric

Ответ для Glonzo Ball

Well you see, her opponent is a one of those gays, which abbot hates more than Jews

Anytime that one person-one vote democracy is subverted, it is theft. The Electoral College is theft. So is gerrymandering. So is Citizens United.

There are few honest electoral victories of what I call "moderaterrorists". We aren't talking about ballot manipulation but tilting the rules by lying to voters. This is very important for the left-wing cause but the rules-obsessed quasi-left-but-really-right lanyarders will never understand!

Ответ для starfrost013

Yes, if you define "cheating" as "anything I don't like" then the outcome of American elections are frequently defined by cheating.

That guy’s been an antisemitic creep for a while. He’s on several lists for it.

also like ... the people who voted for mcmorrow presumably _knew_ she was out and gone, and just didn't like either other option. they wouldn't have voted for AES if-not-for-her. that kind of thinking is cope and the refuge of a scoundrel.

Leftwing candidates tend to be very well funded. The donor class absolutely loves them, they rake in money from millionaires and billionaires. But that's never subverting the will of the people. That money is pure.

Ответ для ranthacc

what?

It’s like the “my favored idea has not taken hold among the public the way I believe it should, therefore it was censored” grievance.

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Hoping El-Sayed can walk the line In the general! It’s not wrong to center your campaign on “my opponent is bought by AIPAC”, but it invokes this perception.

"swinging" seems like a muxh more appropriate term

Ответ для It's Chris!

Yeah I don't even have a particularly strong view on AIPAC's role in that primary. I don't live in Michigan. I'm not even an American. I'm an internationalist though and I want the US to be democratic and stable because I want that for everyone and it's harder to do that when people act like there

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I think I blocked him or vice versa over him being an insane Platner stan.

Crypto PACS plan to spend $200M on the midterms while AI PACs will be throwing in millions as well. Lots of groups out there trying to influence outcomes.

Maybe it was PalPac stuffing the ballot boxes !!!!!!! PalPac money is okay. Just not aipac.. What do we call that kids ? Antisemitism Funny aipac is the only pac anyone talks about as bad. Not Bernie’s. Not the palis. Not Hogg’s. Just aipac. 🧐 bsky.app/profile/vote...

PAL PAC

Abdul built a primary campaign rooted in the belief that human rights are universal, and that we can invest in our communities instead of endless wars. He didn't back down on his commitments to end Israel's genocide and apartheid. Congratulations @abdulelsayed.bsky.social On to November!

Ответ для Megabeth18

You know "palis" is a slur, right?

Ответ для Megabeth18

Is disliking PalPac automatically racist? No Is disliking AIPAC automatically antisemitic? Of course not

Ответ для Megabeth18

Chill

Ответ для Megabeth18

lol Ok

Ответ для Megabeth18

lol

Michigan voter and campaign contributor here. Many here wonder if AIPAC contributions helped or hurt HS, therefore reducing or increasing AES votes. Many regular people cited AIPAC money as key reason to vote for AES. Some wonder if AES is AIPAC-preferred candidate vs. Rogers. Good questions all.

Ответ для brbh4909

All I know is that if he and his supporters keep screaming AIPAC and talking shit about “establishment Dems” there isn’t a chance in hell that he will win. Also a MI voter here. Are they too stupid to understand this?

Ответ для brbh4909

"Some wonder if AES is AIPAC-preferred candidate vs. Rogers." This is in no way a good question.

Why do you have “contempt” for AIPAC?

I am totally uncomfortable with foreign agents influencing elections under the guise of being local.

Ответ для SanMarcos 🍒🚤⚓ Meme thief

AIPAC is literally funded by USA citizens. It’s not a foreign influence.

I think they should not be able to do what they do, but I do think that calling it stealing is counterproductive

Ответ для Joel

You'll get no argument from me about US campaign finance laws being a mess and the influence of PACs being more bad than good. I just think it's important to keep "stealing" as something discrete and much more dangerous than typical PAC stuff

Ответ для Joel

Does your "they" include the PACs that supported El-Sayed? Or do you only care about *some* PACs?

Arguably, there’s a threshold of wealth beyond which elections may not be stolen but clearly bought.

Ответ для Paralax^Speckdrumm

Money doesn't translate to votes, see Elon Musk, or the results in Michigan.

I hate that people seem incapable of distinguishing "PACs should be banned, all of them" from "every chance that My Guy might lose is actually a PAC stealing the votes."

Ответ для Eli Sennesh

Bingo. Feel however you like about PACs or campaign finance or all the rest of it and I won't give you shit about it. But the idea that Everyone Actually Agrees With Me If Others Just Stopped Lying is both poisonous and laughable

PACs spending hundreds of millions on ads, while not literally stealing, is pretty bad though!! I thought we hated this type of shit

They’re not stealing it, they’re buying it, which is Technically Legal 🙄

I’d like less money spent on ads and outreach, some sort of standard playing field where more money doesn’t equal more noise.

Ответ для Rufus The Destroyer

Public campaign financing would be great, but requires a Constitutional Amendment to make it happen.

Buying would be a better word

Spending a lot of money to lie to people so they give "bad" people power is bad, but it's not stealing, no.

Ответ для Jacob

Yeah, if he'd said AIPAC almost bought a Senate seat, I'd agree with him.

As a Canadian, it's two things: 1. It is deranged that you allow private entities to spend this amount of money on politics, legitimately democracy-warping nonsense. Dictatorship stuff. 2. It's still not "cheating", and the particular application of the label to AIPAC stinks a bit more than normal

Ah yes, the old “Jewish Conspiracy” trope.

Also "one Mallory McMorrow" oh fuck AWF

Ответ для Rachel Hallie

I just wish some people made a greater effort to separate "I don't like this" from "this is cheating". One need only look at the GOP to see what rejecting legitimacy wantonly leads to

Ответ для Rachel Hallie

“Mallory McMorrow” is a unit of measurement now.

Explain why you have contempt for AIPAC.