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Speaking as just one guy who sues the government a lot: This basically does not happen. It is a transparent effort to shut down further inquiry by conceding relief. What they are seeking to cover up must be unspeakably bad.

Jon Seidel

The feds just made it official: They won't fight a bid by members of the "Broadview 6" for attorneys' fees. They do "not concede that the United States has acted or done anything to warrant those fees." They also say there should be no discovery. Full filing: cst.brightspotcdn.com/dc/d1/e34a37...

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Given what little we do know is really fucking bad.... Well, I wouldn't be surprised lf some DoJ lawyers deserve to be on the other side of the bars for thisr misconduct

I hope they tell Felon 47's personal law firm, DoJ, to take their 'offer' and shove it. I guarantee if Blanche isn't stopped now, he'll continue this bullsh*t and will likely get away with keeping his law license intact. This clown shouldn't be anywhere near a courtroom, including traffic court.

Is there an article or YouTube video somewhere that dives into the background and facts of this whole affair?

They don’t want us finding out that they offered to show the grand jurors the Epstein files and the Mueller report vol. 2 if they voted to indict.

Everyone always settles just when we think we’re getting somewhere…

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This isn’t a settlement

It must go all the way up the chain to Trump himself.

No discovery please! Ha.

the plaintiffs should be able to decline the settlement.

"guy who sues the government a lot" ??? i'm gonna kill my guidance counselor.

Ответ для Matt

you'll only prove him wrong about you growing up to be a murderer!

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Doesn't the very fact they admit that they are entitled to fees eliminate any grounds of defense in a future civil case? Like these feels incredibly short-sighted, like how do you offer a QI defense after this....

Can it be FOIAd?

I've been practicing law for 43 years and I'm here to tell you that putting something in italics does not make it more proper. It's a weasel move by somebody that doesn't have a good argument.

It's basically grift. The Trump administration is essentially bribing @katmabu.bsky.social & her compatriots to *not* sue them and get all of their shenanigans on the record.

So if the government just insists “no no, take the money, you win,” is there a way for the Broadview 6 to keep this going to discovery?

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Judge can order it by themselves. Iirc (not a lawyer obviously and tying it into another case where a judge ordered similarly) the judge can basically order a further investigation under a statute where you are basically defrauding the power of the judge by abusing their good faith assumption.

Ответ для Josh Rosenau

I was wondering the same thing. Would a suit for defamation do it?

Similarly, Japan’s agreement to end the Second World War was not an unconditional surrender, but merely a acknowledgement that “the war situation has not necessarily turned in Japan’s favor.“

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Well that's not true. "We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control wherever situated." www.archives.gov/milestone-do...

Surrender of Japan (1945)EnlargeDownload Link Citation: Instrument of Surrender; September 2, 1945; Records of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff; Record Group 218; National Archives. View All Pages in the National Archives Catal...www.archives.gov

When you consider what we already know, it really, really must be bad. Like smoking gun bad.

If you spot the last cookie simultaneously as your sister but then she just hands it over without a fuss or even trying to split it with you, and she insists you don't need to know what's baking in the oven, nothing to see, move along, leave the kitchen..every 3rd grader knows what's going on here.

I am slightly jealous of the person who can say, “as one guy who sues the federal government a lot.” In my next life…

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Deny, Defend, Depose (Carl Nyberg)

A special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the nexus of US Attorney (Northern District of Illinois) and ICE. It seems likely that people, including but not limited to the "Broadview 6", had civil rights violated in ways that were *criminal*.

Trump doesn’t care. He spends our tax dollars like he spent his daddies money.

I have known some judges who, in similar circumstances, would be very curious about the possibility that the U.S. attorneys might have repeatedly lied to the court and the grand jury.

Geesh

Throw them a wing but keep the rest of the chicken. 💁

Could they take the position that further discovery is warranted to determine & prove extent of damages?

I hope that all you lawyer folk get your chance to legally "tar and feather" every last one of these jackasses for what they've turn your profession into. Without that particular exercising, I fear we are screwed as a country.

"no backsies" writ large

yeah to paraphrase Roger Furlong from Veep this means I absolutely totally fucking do want to to know what they’re hiding

What we already know is that they were lying blithering idiots scamming their way through a Grand Jury. I can't actually imagine what they could have done that would be worse. But when DOJ reaches unimaginable depths that's when we need to know the most. I hope there's a way the judge can do that.

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DOJ and FBI can investigate parts of the justice system in states that may have gone astray. I don't think the states can do the reverse, but right now it sure seems like they should be able to.

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my bet is the prosecution was ordered by the white house

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My bet is it's less what they did and more who ordered it.

No discovery = Don't look under the bed!

Judge is not having it!

Systemic malfeasance, most likely.

Unspeakably bad. Pretty much sums up the whole Trump 2.0.

Besides uncovering the horror of what these ghouls do and bringing into question a whole lot of work done by them on other cases, what do the plaintiffs get from this besides the fees? Are there additional penalties against the gov't? Can there be sanctions and bar referrals? What else?

Considering what we know already is pretty awful I can only imagine what they’re hiding.

No ‘discovery’? Fvck ‘em!

It would be hilarious if a judge signed off on this relief, and then ordered an inquiry into the office anyway to find out what the fuck else has been going on in there. (But also the relief to their victims should not come from taxpayers. It should come from the bank accounts of the perps.)

I can't wait to have a functioning country again where we can prosecute and jail such vile people for their crimes.

what are they afraid will be exposed during discovery?

My rule of thumb is that whether the govt fights you on attorneys' fees boils down to 4 factors: 1) the amount of the fees; 2) how awful the DOJ's case was; 3) the last time the DOJ lawyer got laid; 4) the last time the agency counsel got laid. Each factor's weight changes multiple times a day.

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damn, apparently DOJ lawyer got *game*

The lesson being that under the circumstances they should have sought 10-100x more.

R

The fees should be paid by the lawyers and people who brought the case. Taxpayers should NOT have to pay for the incompetence.

There should be no discovery is a “Please do actually look into this because we have something to hide” alarm bell.

Or maybe it’s just medium bad but these goons are happy to use taxpayer dollars to make inconveniences go away?

Like are we talking “grand jury actually voted to not indict and the gov’t change their votes secretly” level bad? Or “Oh wait….you really don’t want to look at our other cases…” bad?

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Probably prosecutors had orders from someone higher up to do this for political reasons.

Is there any route to reject and force discovery?

They don't care because it's our money, not their money.

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It likely signals that there is more corruption that they hope to keep the public from learning.

Can they press the judge to make them come clean?

Do they have to accept it? Does the judge have to let it slide

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Do they have any recourse to counter sue, to force discovery?

speaking as a guy who defended a lot of suits against a government, never ever ever ever this is special

Ha!

Lots of things that aren't supposed to happen do happen under Todd Blanche and his crooked boss

As a former government lawyer, I agree. Virtually unprecedented.

and I can't help but think they have been equally as horrendous with grand juries in Minnesota.

Does the judge have to accept their concession without further inquiry?

If they were a bit smarter wouldn’t they put up the minimal plausible opposition? This screams that any judge who cares about fraud on the court needs to set up shop in that office and not leave until they’re satisfied

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well all the smart people quit

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My understanding is that the people who would need to set up shop etc. would have to be the Six's lawyers, who have to get paid by the Six, and that doing it would cost hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of dollars which the Six would probably not get back.

Ответ для Dedekind Slut

I don't think it would matter. If it's opposed in any way, the judge is going to need to request discovery. But the judge already has seen the irregularities & will demand to do more investigation in any case. My guess is someone's stupid enough to believe the 6 will drop the case now.

So what is it about the justice system that they so obviously cannot self police? What are the consequences for the government officials that perpetrated this behavior? Or is this going to be another, “The right person didn’t say the right words so we are going to pretend this didn’t happen?”

Ответ для Slow Lorus

Trump & his entire administration (including the DOJ) as well as the GOP, are corrupt. It’s not like it’s a secret. 🤷‍♂️ There are new stories about it daily.

Right? "There should be no discovery" Ok clearly there should be ALL THE DISCOVERY