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In dishonor of Ross Douthat's last NYT column, I'm breaking my self-imposed ban on reading him—smug bad faith, whiny victimization, and steadfast refusal to let evidence affect opinion—and will screenshot and comment. This is the column if you want to read it yourself (I don't recommend it). 1/x

Opinion | Who Is My Enemy? I’m No Longer Sure.Where does the side of the angels really lie?www.nytimes.com
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I would do anything for love but I won't Douthat.

I went straight to the comments (as I frequently do,) and couldn't hardly stand reading them.

I’ll skip the thoughtful analysis and will merely opine that Douthat is an insufferable demi-intellectual twerp whose origin story is that he couldn’t get laid back in the day.

Why would you Douthat to yourself?

If you doubt the NYT is right-wing, consider that around the year 2000, Rush Limbaugh himself was making TV commercials for them.

So this will be like a hostage video, where it is best left to the professionals?

I guess it's just a coincidence that his name is so similar to Dooku.

One thing about the Douthats of the world: they're always ready to bloviate for a thousand words about what The Elites Believed and what The Left Stood For and how this resulted in Horrors Beyond Imagining, but they never seem to cite a single objective, ascertainable fact to support the blovus.

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I'd rather wear a douche hat than read his columns!

Thanks for taking one for the team.

Please, God, let me live to see a world where he finds out who his enemy is, and realizes it's "basic decency."

Yes pompously placing himself as the reasonable arbiter of all.....yet can't condemn Trump. What a dumb loser.

I tried to read the column. It’s incomprehensible for me. I’m not smart enough I guess.

Thank you for doing the work here so that the rest of us can continue to skip his work.

For a catholic, he’s never supported a living pope or catholic president. Tells you a lot.

This is the perfect straw man argument from someone leaving to join the propaganda network that fired Stephen Colbert for criticizing the president. Chef's kiss.

Your thread skips one of the best parts — where he says a good-guys/bad-guys framing helps him to write his columns. I would just respond: Isn't the columnist's job to illuminate the world as it is, not force everything in it into reductive little boxes simply to make their work easier?

i honestly have no idea why it is at all necessary to pay any attention whatsoever to that dolt. Even for comedic purposes; he’s just dull, in every sense of that word.

If he can’t tell who the bad guys are, maybe he should sit down and STFU.

What a terrible article why would he Douthat? Ok sorry. I'm going to go back to not knowing or caring who Ross Douthat is.

This kind of asshat pretending to have no agency (“the far left forced me to become a transphobic racist because of woke”) should be relieved from their right to vote. It’s clearly a burden to them.

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Also, people who like authoritarianism should be consistent with their own beliefs and stop voting right away.

Wait, there are people who still read Douthat?

✋I'll happily identify as Ross "Don't" Douthat's enemy. Not in a sense that I wish him any ill will, but I definitely think he's wrong about a lot of things, and probably even more spiritually lost than David Brooks. True, I don't despise him viscerally but I think he's kind of a jerk.

So many words to say so little.

Crock of Shit

I ignored your recommendation and read your screenshots. Now I’m irritated. My recommendation: always follow Nicholas Grossman’s recommendations regarding Ross Douthat.

Reminiscent of David Brooks' crisis of confidence after he had an affair and dumped his wife.

1/ I thought this was an extraordinary statement for a conservative columnist to make. Trump, Putin & their far-right allies like Musk, Thiel…etc wish to destroy the post-WWII rules based order so they r free to plunder whenever they want. That is why they wish to destroy the UN, ICC &

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2/ other organisation that will stop them from from doing whatever they wanted. The obvious lesson of the WWII is that nations, however vital, r not enough. US conservatives understood this & were prominent among the architects of our current rules-based international order. 

omg thank you for sparing me

Hard pass, but thanks for thinking of us.

Couldn't make it to the end.

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I couldn't make it to the beginning.

Ross Douthat, hired by Bari Weiss as a full time correspondent for 60 mins. What a joke.

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Ahaha, I saw the headline (and decided against reading), but not the byline. I should've guessed.

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Bless you for your sacrifice reading Douthat's drivel! I am a long time subscriber to the NY times and celebrate no longer subsidizing his brand of "intellectual conservatism".

and it's uninteresting.....dude just needs to oppose something, nothing original

“smug bad faith, whiny victimization, and steadfast refusal to let evidence affect opinion.” Nailed it/him to a T.

I stopped after reading about him not being sure who were the bad guys and who were the good guys. I mean, if ross isn’t sure, what chance do I have?

Ross Douthat's NY Times readers seem to be of the moderately affluent sort, whose political acumen is limited to the occasional utterance of "uh-huh", or, when excited, "yeah".

Douche-hat is not worth addressing; even acknowledging him gives him a cachet he doesn't deserve. As the saying goes, he isn't a "has been"; he's a "never was".

The Times should avoid the temptation to “replace” him. Instead they should bring on someone who can constructively critique the center from the actual ascendant left. I doubt if Nathan Robinson would take the job but someone of that persuasion would be a breath of fresh air.

I’ve never understood his popularity. The interview with the Yale professor recently was difficult to watch.

If I needed to prep for a colonoscopy I would read a Ross Douchehat 'oped' . Orher than that fuck him.

Who really cares?

Thank you for doing us a service. I tried to read it but couldn't get past "the columnist's job contains multitudes" part

Angels don't exist. Therefore there is no side of the angels. Solved that for you, Ross. Just don't explode because someone pointed out the truth to you. I know it's hard.

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I wish this theory didn't have the explanatory power it does

To paraphrase the old saying about a con game (that if you don’t know who the mark is, it’s you): If Ross Douthat, after the last decade, doesn’t know who the enemy is, the enemy is Ross Douthat.

So you did not go see him speak when he was recently on your campus, I take it...

I have avoided Douthat for at least the last decade the same way I avoid streetcorner preachers. Ignore lest I get annoyed.

Hard to think of a better example of a useful idiot. If left liberalism has imperfections, then address those imperfections! Instead he uses them as an excuse for throwing the entire liberal tradition overboard. Faced with the fascistic consequences all he can manage is a feeble "oops".

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Or, more weirdly, thinking that fascism isn’t the end game of the right all the way from McCarthy to Reagan decrying Medicare to Limbaugh to the Tea Party and then MAGA it’s been a pretty linear journey.

I felt the same when I read it this morning..bon voyage, maga minion!

In addition to the atrocious content I find his prose style obsequiously bloated puffery Cannot stand reading more than a couple of sentences so thank you for your service.

right wingers process the world through their enlarged amygdalas which makes them extremely afraid and incredibly paranoid, their political policies are essentially just about trying to mitigate their terror, so they fetishize guns for “protection” and crave homogeneity and hierarchy for “safety”

Nope. I appreciate that it’s his last column, but I have better things to do….

Douthat is exhibit #1 in “The New York Times Loves Donald Trump”

Don’t subscribe….

Breaking news: Fascist-apologist/sympathizer/evangelist denies being fascist. 🙄

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This bit only makes sense if you have a need to publicly advocate for extreme minority positions. Oh.

Douthat is like many "ex Republicans" (cough, cough) who pine for the party of McCain and Romney. Trump destroyed that and they resent him for it, BUT he's still "unwokifying" everything, which satisfies their hatred of anything they consider liberal. He and David Brooks are so tediously annoying.

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Makes me want to make a typology of these guys: Douthat: enthusiastically obtuse Thiessen: just a straight up propagandist, everything Trump shits out is gold Brooks: always at the ready to misunderstand and misapply social science and its methods (esp ethnography)

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Why does the NYT continue to publish that asshole?

Even that title

Never read much Douthat, he always seemed like an idiot to me. Thank you for this thread, proves I was right all along.

His friends- give him money.

I read Douthat's columns in the NYT for about a year, maybe 5 years ago. The columns about Catholicism were deeply uninformed, like what you'd expect from a guy who never read Merton or Marcel, or even Kierkegaard, but memorized the Baltimore Catechism. Everything else was dull.

Good riddance.

The only thing you ever need to read or know about Rose Douthat is he wrote a paragraph on spurning the advances of a "chunky Reese Witherspoon" because he lost his boner when said she was on the pill. www.rawstory.com/2013/12/dadd...

Daddy, don't let your baby grow up to be Chunky Reese WitherspoonWe have not paid much attention to our old pal Ross Douthat for some months now because he has been boring boring boring the hell out of people about Obamacare and the Pope and Breaking Bad with the t...www.rawstory.com

What did you do that led you to punish yourself so severely?

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Didn’t take over state power to create the currency Oh, wait!

Ross, the angels do not lie with you….

Non-paywall—Ross Douthat's last NYT column—"Who Are the Good Guys and the Bad Guys? I’m No Longer Sure" archive.is/202608081629...

I seldom read him, and I know very little of Jordan Peterson. But in the little I've read and watched of both, they come across as fairly similar. Similar. They're supposed to be far right wing, but often they just are empty and pretentious. Most of this article is philosopher-king fluff.

Good for you for ponying up. He's the one opinion writer I just can't read for anything. Good riddance to Ross.

The thought that someone decided that people would want to watch Douthat whine on TV is hilarious.

So you're saying "Don't Douthat"?

Prediction: 60 Minutes’ ratings will tank.

His “arguments” remind of the brilliant phrase from VEEP “noise-shaped air.”

I know this is unkind, but I believe that most of Douthat’s politics are explained by him experiencing the world while being conventionally unattractive. I think in our extremely visual society, we should leverage the idea that these are the politics of ugly people, and who wants to be ugly?

Paywalled but the Jesuits are promoting him as an example of Catholic intellectualism in the public sphere now 😶

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My hopes for the Catholic lay intellectuals is that the Pope waps them upside the head with a demand for justice. They are doing it wrong and should be excommunicated.

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Jesus wept

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@dalbak.bsky.social—Ross could never admit what really underpinned every column he ever wrote....He desperately wishes he had lived in 15th-century Spain with a strict monarchy and church hierarchy to keep everyone in line and punish anyone who dared to question or buck the conservative order.

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non-paywall: "Ross Douthat and the case for the Catholic lay intellectual "/ America magazine—by Bill McCormick, S.J. (a Jesuit rep for power-hungry US maga Catholicism in opposition to Jesuit Pope Francis). archive.is/202608062225...

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The Jesuits have come a long way from being the rigorous intellectuals of the Roman Catholics.

Ross Douthat looks exactly like a guy with Ross Douthat’s perspective would look. His own image in the mirror is the source of every opinion.

We can take comfort in Ross’s inevitable flop on 60 Minutes. No way he has the chops for that.

Poor Ross. Pushing culture war bullshit while sitting in the richest portion of the very blue enclave of New Haven CT (from Daddy's money no less) where he and his family don't have to endure the policies he insists on foisting on others.

Allow me to summarize your summary with an even shorter summary: Ross Douthat’s cognitive dissonance.

The Bari Weiss era 60 Minutes is perfect for Douthat. I look forward to continuing to ignore his idiocy.

Ross babe…take a tip from Stephen Miller on the virtues of GLH

Ross could never admit what really underpinned very column he ever wrote.... He desperately wishes he had lived in 15th-century Spain with a strict monarchy and church hierarchy to keep everyone in line and punish anyone who dared to question or buck the conservative order. Nothing more to him.

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I just learned Saint John Capistrano was an inquisitor. Ross would have been one too

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this is really the entire conservative ethos (also the ethos for most rich folks)-and of course their version of history is a gauzy, soft-focus version where there is no such thing as “the plague” and the royals weren’t all inbred and diseased

Not only won’t I read his bad faith punditry. I get totally icked out just looking at his photo. That creepy moist piety he emanates.

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moist is the best description of him i've seen. kudos.

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He looks a little greasy/sweaty, that's for sure.

I would pay good money to watch people beat talent and sense into Ross Dontdothat the face for radio.

💯. He’s a perfect fit for 60 minutes

“Intellectual of Trumpism” is of course an oxymoron.

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I was going to say that, but decided it had to be tongue-in-cheek.

Does he consider the American people as his enemies?

"smug bad faith, whiny victimization, and steadfast refusal to let evidence affect opinion" He'll fit in well at Bari Weiss's 60 Minutes.

Nature. We need to honor and protect the earth and wildlife. Explore Taoism. Listen to Rumi. Post their sayings in classrooms.

"...which contemporary worldview is most in need of criticism or opposition...." Just about says all that he ever said.

Ross is one of the many reasons I canceled my NYT subscription. So, thank you but… no.

To be clear, this toad’s not worth your time. We actual thinkers and doers are all his natural enemies. A journalist would know so.

First of all, thank you for your service. Second, you don't have to sacrifice your mind to whiny drivel. Think again if this is the path you want to take.

Farewell to Douchehat

I think the rise of mediocrities like Douthat is one of the more depressing things about this timeline.

I hear a guy who's flat out wrong about a lot, really pissed that he's right about some stuff concerning Trumpism, and furious that he's largely irrelevant. Congrats @nytimes.com! As nature intended, the garbage has found its way to the trash can, now known as CBS.

I’m just amazed this creature is 46 years old. Hate ages you, but being whiny contrarian ages you even more.

I’m so glad it’s behind a paywall so I don’t have to waste my precious time.

Well, I can't read the article unless I create an account which leads to endless advertising from them, and then they get to sell my info to whoever pays them! Hopefully more is revealed thru the Thread, bug the headline already has my dander up!

He keeps trying to justify himself. And failed miserably.

Ross just spews out the same both siderist horseshit over and over and over again. Being a mouthpiece for hateful billionaire assholes is an easy and lucrative grift. driftglass.blogspot.com/2025/10/when...

When In Danger Or In Doubt......sprint like hell for the Both Sides redoubt.   Watch closely as Ross Cardinal Douthat recycles the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz "Team...driftglass.blogspot.com

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A big no thank you from me.

Ross Douthat is unsettled. The "left-of-center" "elite consensus" of the Obama era he hated is gone (yay!) and replaced by a right-wing populism he dreamed of (YAY!) but he can see it going bad (oh no) so instead of opposing it or reconsidering how bad the Obama era was, he's confused. Cue dril 2/x

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Obama administration created our national currency to bail banks out. Households had to sell their assets at fire sale prices. FDR created our national currency to bail households out. Fascists would do the same thing that Obama did.

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And this guy is going to be a 60 Minutes correspondent.

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Douthat was excited by Trumpism, and reluctantly admits it hasn't lived up to his dreams. In fact, it's been "corrupt and bullying and destabilizing." But don't worry! Trump won't make a 1000 year Reich, so all the bad isn't that bad. And it doesn't discredit the right-wing populist vision. 3/x

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“The columnists job contains multitudes” 🤮

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Bold move, to publicly say he's lost the ability to see good from bad. Possibly a get off the NYT, touch grass moment? (nah)

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And now he's on the tRump-favorable 60 minutes show from CBS that no-one's going to watch either. And I've blocked CBS on my cable box so that I don't inadvertently select the tRump-hugger channel.

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If he is so confused, how the fuck can he work on TV news without bringing more effing moral confusion to the world.

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He of course ignore occupy and the work of economic justice that pushed Obama in real time.

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He's very well-read. And stupid.

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Ahh yes, once again we are in an irresolvable existential and moral crisis between… *checks notes* Actual fascists murdering people in the streets & creating a giant police surveillance state, And Some social dems who want everyone to have affordable housing, healthcare, food, and utilities. 🙄

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He's exhausting. Just put on the red hat, Ross, this is taking forever.

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If the “worldview” he opposes ranges from Republican consultants to centrists to Obama establishment, that says much more about him, namely that he’s little more than a far-right bigot.

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"I don't get it" seems like an appropriate note for him to go out on

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Does he really open with “contains multitudes”? incredibly hack stuff

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"The columnist's job contains multitudes." Lol. Lmao

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People are still trying to be taken seriously with their “both-sidesing” in 2026? “Gee, I really can’t tell which of these sides are worse, oh golly!”

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To be fair, you can confuse Ross with the “Gotchernose” trick.

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Imagine writing the words “The columnist’s job contains multitudes” about yourself in stone-faced seriousness. Knowing it’s for public consumption no less. If he gets any further up his own ass he’ll be dissolved by his own stomach acids. 😂😂😂😂

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Such an insufferable twat. A self-imagined, sanctified intellectual persecuted by very idea of those who don’t share his cramped, moralistic perspective. Sanctimonious, unself-aware, incapable, as you note, of critical self-assessment or non self-aggrandizing thought. Good flipping riddance, Ross.

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"I have lost my senses" - make it a tee slogan 🤦🏼‍♀️

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"each major faction seems potentially dangerous" If you can't tell the difference between naked corruption, authoritarian lawless murder of people without trial, economic and geopolitical ruin via police vs. social criticism and pressure to not be a jackass. You have no business being a columnist.

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He sounds like the dog that caught the car and doesn't like the taste of tires.

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“Could I have been wrong? No. Absolutely not.”

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Kinda with Douthat on this. One side has the secret federal sturmpolizei murdering people on the streets and in death camps, and the other side would have us go back to the days when innocent corporations can't sell a little explosive diarrhea salad without it being a big deal. Who can decide?!?

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very difficult to read this and not conclude: (a) Douthat opposes liberal elites out of contrarianism and/or disliking liberal elites as people; (b) he is lavishly compensated for holding these specific views; (c) where (a) and (b) are not sufficient, he has poor morals (for downplaying coups etc.)

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The idea that Obama was ever left of center is viewed by the rest of the world as pretty weird. America has a right wing party and a far right wing party.

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He should team up with susan collins - "Concerned and Confused" would be a perfect fox show now that they are having "doubts"

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the fact that the tech moguls supporting the Obama era attitude all turned out to be deranged white supremacists actively attempting to cause the collapse of the US to turn it into a neofeudal monarchy says a lot about how leftist Obama era policies were

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What an intellectually vacuous position. I might consider what I’m for rather than whom I’m against as a starting point, but I suppose I don’t have the fancy NYT columnist cachet…

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I'm gonna stop him right there - if he cannot tell who's bad and who's good in this scenario, then put a period on it. You're done. What an absolute dumbfuck.

Anyone who read the column: Did Douthat ever explain in detail who the elites were, what their ideas were, how they failed, and how that failure led to populism? It just sounds like a narrative we're expected to accept whole.

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The late Obama years were actually a nice and comfortable time to live in America. It wasn't paradise, and we did have problems, but there was no cascade of "elite failure" that called the political order into question. We even had a robust recovery from the financial crisis!

When push comes to shove, it’s all bad faith and intellectual dishonesty with Ross. Deep down, he just wants to see his fellow media elites—but the ones on the left—suffer. The only time I’ve ever seen him excited or agitated was when screaming about “Biden letting the left extreme run the party”.

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endlessly funny that his claim to fame was a book of strategies for saving the republican party which was only read by centrist democrats

I'm really looking forward to not hearing about his NYT column anymore.

Damn… that final fisking of the dishonorable Ross Douthat, was a deserved thing of beauty.

That sounds like Blue Sky lefties if I’m honest.

Douthat is basically that "expat" you never want to run into at a bar abroad because he'll ultimately end up complaining about immigrants.

Why did this fascist adjacent douchebag get a paycheck from the NY Times for 17 years? My problem is not that he has bad opinions based on bad facts, but why was it amplified by one of our leading newspapers?

Excited to see him live on 60 Minutes?

This cream of wheat mind is on his way to coo coo puffs at 60 Minutes.

Thank you. I broke a rule and tried to read but my eyes quickly glazed over. After all, who anointed him?

In leaving NYT for Ellison's propaganda machine over at CBS, Douthat makes it quite clear who he thinks is good and who he thinks is bad. As usual, Douthat is morally and embarrassingly wrong.

Document their Complicity to a 👉 rouge regime 👈 and start filing Criminal charges !

The most powerful DEI in the world is being a mediocre but conservative ‘voice’ at an establishment institution 🙄

Sorry my brain is a No Douthat zone

This dude is about as irrelevant as they come. Hope he is miserable.

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I have little in common with R. Douthat ideologically. But on the other hand I will always respect the fact that he manages to get well paid, writing just what comes across his mind. Not everybody can manage that.

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Most writers aren't willing to lick enough asses to get there.